Comments on: Tibetan snake boxing – whaaa? http://chagchen.org/2009/08/27/tibetan-snake-boxing-whaaa/ Enlightenment or bust Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:03:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Alex W http://chagchen.org/2009/08/27/tibetan-snake-boxing-whaaa/comment-page-1/#comment-1029 Alex W Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:07:23 +0000 http://chagchen.org/?p=838#comment-1029 lhunrup: I think your post already says what I would say in answer. If you read this blog you will see that I *did* find out where to speak to him, and *did* ask him some relevant questions; the answers I got were not ridiculous, though they were extremely vague. As to your speculations about my personality, I leave you to them. Jim: You ask why I would "make a harmful statement about someone without doing the due diligence to ensure that you are behaving responsibly and not maliciously slandering someone". The answer is that in the first place, the very idea of "Tibetan Snake Boxing" is just not something an informed person can easily take seriously; in the second place, as I see it, asking Biff for an explanation (which I published long ago) *is* reasonably diligent. Perhaps I should stress that it is, above all, the suggestion that he was taught Tummo (and now teaches it to others) by Thrangu Rinpoche (one of my own teachers) that, to those who know anything about things Tibetan, sounds extremely fishy. lhunrup: I think your post already says what I would say in answer. If you read this blog you will see that I *did* find out where to speak to him, and *did* ask him some relevant questions; the answers I got were not ridiculous, though they were extremely vague.
As to your speculations about my personality, I leave you to them.
Jim: You ask why I would “make a harmful statement about someone without doing the due diligence to ensure that you are behaving responsibly and not maliciously slandering someone”. The answer is that in the first place, the very idea of “Tibetan Snake Boxing” is just not something an informed person can easily take seriously; in the second place, as I see it, asking Biff for an explanation (which I published long ago) *is* reasonably diligent.
Perhaps I should stress that it is, above all, the suggestion that he was taught Tummo (and now teaches it to others) by Thrangu Rinpoche (one of my own teachers) that, to those who know anything about things Tibetan, sounds extremely fishy.

]]> By: Jim http://chagchen.org/2009/08/27/tibetan-snake-boxing-whaaa/comment-page-1/#comment-1028 Jim Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:22:39 +0000 http://chagchen.org/?p=838#comment-1028 I will state up front that I study Jiu Long Bagua Zhang. JLBZ is in my opinion the backbone of the Li Family Arts taught at The Gompa. Dr. John Painter is the lineage holder for the Li Family Arts. Contrary to the posting by "A Word Witch" Dr. Painter does not call himself or accept others callimg him a master. The reasons for not accepting the title of master which I have heard in lectures from Dr. Painter, and that I am not quoting but paraphrasing(to be clear any errors are my own), are that a master has learned and understood everything, Dr. Painter has stated that there is much he is still learning and understanding. "Cone Beckham" the name snake boxing would be derived from this being a system of fighting from the ground. You would be correct in the thought that "boxing" in Chinese Martial Arts is not quite the same as "boxing" in Western terms. The gentleman running this site is the person I have a serious concern about. You sir have stated..."Now although I’m tagging this with charlatans, I’m not at the moment saying that’s what this guy is – to be honest, I haven’t even read his site properly" Why would you make a harmful statement about someone without doing the due diligence to ensure that you are behaving responsibly and not maliciously slandering someone. This is my first experience with your site. I hope more investigation is done on your other postings as I think the premise for your site is excellent as long as you are being vigilent. I wish you the best. Regards, Jim Sullivan I will state up front that I study Jiu Long Bagua Zhang. JLBZ is in my opinion the backbone of the Li Family Arts taught at The Gompa. Dr. John Painter is the lineage holder for the Li Family Arts.

Contrary to the posting by “A Word Witch” Dr. Painter does not call himself or accept others callimg him a master. The reasons for not accepting the title of master which I have heard in lectures from Dr. Painter, and that I am not quoting but paraphrasing(to be clear any errors are my own), are that a master has learned and understood everything, Dr. Painter has stated that there is much he is still learning and understanding.

“Cone Beckham” the name snake boxing would be derived from this being a system of fighting from the ground. You would be correct in the thought that “boxing” in Chinese Martial Arts is not quite the same as “boxing” in Western terms.

The gentleman running this site is the person I have a serious concern about. You sir have stated…”Now although I’m tagging this with charlatans, I’m not at the moment saying that’s what this guy is – to be honest, I haven’t even read his site properly” Why would you make a harmful statement about someone without doing the due diligence to ensure that you are behaving responsibly and not maliciously slandering someone. This is my first experience with your site. I hope more investigation is done on your other postings as I think the premise for your site is excellent as long as you are being vigilent.

I wish you the best.

Regards,

Jim Sullivan

]]> By: lhunrup http://chagchen.org/2009/08/27/tibetan-snake-boxing-whaaa/comment-page-1/#comment-1026 lhunrup Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:18:37 +0000 http://chagchen.org/?p=838#comment-1026 why dont you take the cnace and guts , go up to his afce and ask him , your a a very very weak little man who just fault finds all then time to boost your own little ego i hope this kung fu guy in the picture gets to meat you one day i wonder are you gay or a pervert or something , i sense you are a very week man , with a lot to hide why dont you take the cnace and guts , go up to his afce and ask him , your a a very very weak little man who just fault finds all then time to boost your own little ego
i hope this kung fu guy in the picture gets to meat you one day
i wonder are you gay or a pervert or something , i sense you are a very week man , with a lot to hide

]]> By: Cone Beckham http://chagchen.org/2009/08/27/tibetan-snake-boxing-whaaa/comment-page-1/#comment-1022 Cone Beckham Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:46:40 +0000 http://chagchen.org/?p=838#comment-1022 Whether or not this guy is genuine, I pause at the name "Tibetan Snake boxing." I mean, boxing usually implies you have arms...and fists...and such? Do Tibetan Snakes have arms? (I suppose someone will reply that the word "boxing" is a translation from Chinese or Tibetan......fine. Go ahead.) Whether or not this guy is genuine, I pause at the name “Tibetan Snake boxing.”

I mean, boxing usually implies you have arms…and fists…and such? Do Tibetan Snakes have arms?

(I suppose someone will reply that the word “boxing” is a translation from Chinese or Tibetan……fine. Go ahead.)

]]> By: A Word Witch http://chagchen.org/2009/08/27/tibetan-snake-boxing-whaaa/comment-page-1/#comment-752 A Word Witch Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:02:53 +0000 http://chagchen.org/?p=838#comment-752 Maybe a real master with a sense of humor? Not bettin' on it, though! Maybe a real master with a sense of humor?

Not bettin’ on it, though!

]]> By: john foley http://chagchen.org/2009/08/27/tibetan-snake-boxing-whaaa/comment-page-1/#comment-714 john foley Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:57:09 +0000 http://chagchen.org/?p=838#comment-714 I remember "Biff" Painter from back in the 70's..one of the early "internal" martial artists on the scene at that time. Never met him, seemed like a "serious" student of the internal arts. I think the need to dress up with the beret stuff just reveals a serious lack of discrimination. Interesting that he is trying/ purporting to teach Tummo outside the four year retreat. Snake boxing would relate to monkey style boxing...I never tracked it down but styles of "Lama Boxing" was allegedly a super secret brought to the court in China by the Tibetans, never taught to commoners. Many styles specialize in "floor work" it being very difficult to deal with a trained opponent who stays low on, near the floor. Well, just some thoughts....he might teach really good Chi Kung..been doing it for a while, just too bad the presentation is so bizarre. Welcome to Texas. I remember “Biff” Painter from back in the 70′s..one of the early “internal” martial artists on the scene at that time. Never met him, seemed like a “serious” student of the internal arts. I think the need to dress up with the beret stuff just reveals a serious lack of discrimination.
Interesting that he is trying/ purporting to teach Tummo outside the four year retreat.
Snake boxing would relate to monkey style boxing…I never tracked it down but styles of “Lama Boxing” was allegedly a super secret brought to the court in China by the Tibetans, never taught to commoners. Many styles specialize in “floor work” it being very difficult to deal with a trained opponent who stays low on, near the floor.
Well, just some thoughts….he might teach really good Chi Kung..been doing it for a while, just too bad the presentation is so bizarre.
Welcome to Texas.

]]> By: Sass http://chagchen.org/2009/08/27/tibetan-snake-boxing-whaaa/comment-page-1/#comment-702 Sass Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:34:03 +0000 http://chagchen.org/?p=838#comment-702 The Derek Zoolander of Tibetan Yoga. The Derek Zoolander of Tibetan Yoga.

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